Well people have their reasons for keeping a baby and not keeping one...

I think that abortion should be illegal. To me, and many others, it is murder. Just because the infant hasn't exited the womb doesn't mean that it's not alive. The taking of ones life is murder. Thus, abortion is murder.

If the whole load of "responsibility" crap is misunderstood and someone just happens to have an accidental baby, then I believe that there are too many things in this world that would stop the option of abortion. Adoption being one of them.

Let the baby live it's life. Life is too short and rare to be taken away at the snap of a finger. Ridiculous ..

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

I think that abortion should be illegal. To me, and many others, it is murder. Just because the infant hasn't exited the womb doesn't mean that it's not alive. The taking of ones life is murder. Thus, abortion is murder.

If the whole load of "responsibility" crap is misunderstood and someone just happens to have an accidental baby, then I believe that there are too many things in this world that would stop the option of abortion. Adoption being one of them.

Let the baby live it's life. Life is too short and rare to be taken away at the snap of a finger. Ridiculous ..

What are you going to do thats longer than life.
Yup, its so rare, theres almost 7 billion people and 100 billion have lived throughout the history of the earth.

Originally Posted by I bloodypingu I

What are you going to do thats longer than life.
Yup, its so rare, theres almost 7 billion people and 100 billion have lived throughout the history of the earth.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. It's not rare at all. Why don't we compare 7 billion people along with the already dead 100 billion to the trillions that either don't get to live or have their life taken away earlier than supposed to. Wow, but remember, your statistics aren't a small fraction at all. (Geez, the sarcasm is killing me..)

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

I think that abortion should be illegal. To me, and many others, it is murder. Just because the infant hasn't exited the womb doesn't mean that it's not alive. The taking of ones life is murder. Thus, abortion is murder.

If the whole load of "responsibility" crap is misunderstood and someone just happens to have an accidental baby, then I believe that there are too many things in this world that would stop the option of abortion. Adoption being one of them.

Let the baby live it's life. Life is too short and rare to be taken away at the snap of a finger. Ridiculous ..

1. The cells that make up the baby aren't even conscious of anything until the first (or second, I don't remember yet) trimester. They're just tissue.

2. Having an abortion should be completely up to the mother. It's her baby and her life which are being affected. If she doesn't want to spend a long pregnancy with a baby she doesn't want, she shouldn't have to.

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

Yeah, I suppose you're right. It's not rare at all. Why don't we compare 7 billion people along with the already dead 100 billion to the trillions that either don't get to live or have their life taken away earlier than supposed to. Wow, but remember, your statistics aren't a small fraction at all. (Geez, the sarcasm is killing me..)

Where the hell are you getting trillion?

Originally Posted by General AI

1. The cells that make up the baby aren't even conscious of anything until the first (or second, I don't remember yet) trimester. They're just tissue.

2. Having an abortion should be completely up to the mother. It's her baby and her life which are being affected. If she doesn't want to spend a long pregnancy with a baby she doesn't want, she shouldn't have to.

1. It doesn't matter if any of the cells are conscious or not. Every inch of those cells are alive, and sense they work together to make one, larger unit, that unit is also alive.

2. I've given my opinion and you've given yours. Congratulations, you've just for filled the initial purpose of this thread! Posting! However, I see no point in you giving your opinion to me in particular, since your opinion doesn't necessarily disprove anything. I'm not arguing, but the number two should have been separate from your post directed towards me.

Originally Posted by General AI

Where the hell are you getting trillion?

Well, seeing as Earth is coming up on it's 5 billion year anniversary, I would have thought that it would be a safe bet to assume that there were "at least" a trillion once born organisms. Do you disagree, or should we enter an argument were neither can prove the other wrong, due to lack of ourselves existing so long.

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

1. It doesn't matter if any of the cells are conscious or not. Every inch of those cells are alive, and sense they work together to make one, larger unit, that unit is also alive.

Abortion is about as much murder as pulling out a hair or burning off a wart. Murder only applies to independent persons or social identities. A fetus may be "alive" and "human" but it is not a person. It lives and is given potential to live by living dependently off of a person.

Originally Posted by BinoChrist

Abortion is about as much murder as pulling out a hair or burning off a wart. Murder only applies to independent persons or social identities. A fetus may be "alive" and "human" but it is not a person. It lives and is given potential to live by living dependently off of a person.

. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders, murder 1. To put an end to;


Are you not putting an end to this fetuses active state? Yes, you are. Thus, it is murder. Potential living status has nothing to do with it. I guess, however, that everyone will bias their opinion off of this as the way they think. I'm just giving you the facts.

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

Yeah, I suppose you're right. It's not rare at all. Why don't we compare 7 billion people along with the already dead 100 billion to the trillions that either don't get to live or have their life taken away earlier than supposed to. Wow, but remember, your statistics aren't a small fraction at all. (Geez, the sarcasm is killing me..)

This is probably the main reason that I'm not completely yes or no on abortion.

I'm more for abortion, but I have no decisive stance on it right now.

Originally Posted by Inconceivable

1. It doesn't matter if any of the cells are conscious or not. Every inch of those cells are alive, and sense they work together to make one, larger unit, that unit is also alive.

So your argument is that its a growing living being.
Not a very convincing argument is it?

2. I've given my opinion and you've given yours. Congratulations, you've just for filled the initial purpose of this thread! Posting! However, I see no point in you giving your opinion to me in particular, since your opinion doesn't necessarily disprove anything. I'm not arguing, but the number two should have been separate from your post directed towards me.

1. You should really cut the patronizing attitude you've got here. It wont do.

2. My point doesn't disapprove anything, but it addresses your point that the mother shouldn't have the right to have an abortion because its "murder". Why should anyone but the mother (or the father) decide whether or not she can have an abortion?

And your entire argument that it's murder is flawed on 2 different levels.

1) You're argument is that getting rid of some cells and tissue is technically murder, and is therefore unlawful and immoral. You're basically using technicalities to give abortion a title which would make it illegitimate. It's a common argument used by many anti-abortionists to justify their belief.

2) It's actually not murder at all.
Mur-der - the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. (I'm guessing you cut out most of your definition to better back your argument)
As I've said during the time before the first trimester, the cells and tissue aren't even human yet (or conscious).

Well, seeing as Earth is coming up on it's 5 billion year anniversary, I would have thought that it would be a safe bet to assume that there were "at least" a trillion once born organisms.

In your original post I believed you were clearly referring to people, and I don't think the human body count has reached trillions yet (we weren't always here).

Do you agree, or should we enter an argument were neither can prove the other wrong, due to lack of ourselves existing so long.

Fixed.