Originally Posted by MarkedAchilles

I am really done with you until you have a little more school. I really don't think you know what evidence is or what is going on in the world.

Peace out.

I am not a college grad, yet I am able to realize the meaning of life, that God MUST exist and that we will be judged about our actions.

Sorry can't post more till after school, 3-4 hours or so. But argue, I'll post more on it later.

Originally Posted by Phat O 101

Achilles, I have posted this several times but surprisingly you have never come up with anything to say to this,

I would just like to add that about 10 million muslims have memorized the Quran in its original Arabic text entirely. Amazingly, less than 10% of these people are Arab. That means that more than 9 million people have memorized a book in a language they cannot speak or understand. Tell me that this is not a miracle! Tell me of another book that has been memorized by more than 9 million people that cannot understand nor speak the language of the book's text.

The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Rectiation" just as it came to Muhammad, peace be upon him, from the Angel Gabriel and was learned and memorized by his companions and they in turn, passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over 10,000,000 (ten million) Muslims who have committed the entire Quran to memory. This is not a small feat. After all, how many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through so many generations, in the original language, without a single change in even one sentence?

Each Muslim Has "Quran" Memorized

All Muslims have memorzied a portion of the Quran in the Arabic language, as this is an important part of their daily prayers. Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Quran from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Quran, and all in the original Arabic language. It should be noted, there are over one and a half billion (1,500,000,000) Muslims worldwide and only about 10% are Arab, all the rest are learing the Quran in Arabic as a second language.

Wow. Great.

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So what. It's not a miracle just because 10 million proeple have memorized a book about their religion. And in the text you supported your argument with, you said that ALL muslims have the Quaran memorized, but just after that you said that 10% of then 1.5 billion people have it memorized. So... which one is it?
And you havn't answered my question, which I believe is a little more important than a comeback to "What do you have to say about 10 million people memorizing the Quran exactly?" "What other religion has had people do that?" "None because Muslim is the only real religion, and no other people are devout enough to other religions like we Muslims are."
Incase you forgot my question, or you thought that I answered it for myself I'll restate it. What happend to all of the poor souls who never had a chance to convert to Islam. Or the entire existence of humanity before Allah suposedly came forth. Your god doesn't sound like a forgiving one, so I guess millions of innocents were condemned to hell? Just give me an answer from the acient scripts of the Quran that tell you what he did to those people, and what he's still doing to those people, IF he exists.

Well, noones posted for 4 hours other than me, and I half-ass gathered my thoughts for now on my theory. I'm not saying anything aabout the god being a bored alien that wanted to f..k with the minds of humans, so there isn't really much on religion here. So ok here it is, and note that this is all written only by me, and I don't even think I did a good job.

Mass is never created nor destroyed. This has been proven so far, which would mean that all the mass is the universe ever has ALWAYS been there. Now according to the Big Bang Theory, which I believe needs other thought and possibilities added to it, the universe started around 15 billion years ago, and before that SPACE itself didn’t even exist. In my own opinion, I think this is wrong. Nothing always exists, and in space there is a lot of nothing. Some of it’s dark matter, most of it is Plasma, but since nothingness can’t be classified as matter, it isn’t the most common thing in the universe. So it is in my belief that all the matter in the universe ever was at many times in history in one place, hanging in an empty space of nothingness. Now you ask why I say at many times? Well that’s because it is also in my belief that the universe didn’t start 15 billion years ago, but it’s history was truly infinite, and a process will go on forever. I do believe that the beginning of a cycle begins with a big bang-like theory, where all the matter in the universe spreads out, forming elements as it cools from a massive amount of heat, and then over time matter gathering together to form suns, then planets and so on. Now to the part where it happens more than once. Are you familiar with black holes? Incase, you aren’t, black holes are extremely dense areas of matter, that because of their densities, have a massive amount of gravity that pull everything, including light, towards them. It is proposed that on black hole can “suck” another black hole into it, causing the size of itself to get bigger, and more powerful. Now because of the density of black holes, they get extremely hot, so hot, that in my opinion they could break elements into basic matter, also shrinking the size of the black hole making it more powerful. I believe that a black hole can become so powerful that it can suck in matter from all over the universe, other black holes, suns, galaxies, dark matter and the like. This process would take hundreds of billions, maybe even trillions of years. But it is possible that once a black hole has sucked all the matter of the universe into itself, than the big bang could happen, restarting the process of existence. There is no evidence of past Big Bangs, because all of the evidence we have right now originated from the last big bang 15 billion years ago, and the black hole that it originated from sucked the previous evidence into it. But that’s always the problem with every theory of existence ever: lack of evidence. The first big bang theory hasn’t been proven yet, and no god from any religion has shown true proof of him/her/it self yet. Now in my opinion no god ever will be proved, but as human technologies advance, more and more evidence shows that evolution is true and the big bang did happen.

Originally Posted by Mr Tank Jump

So what. It's not a miracle just because 10 million proeple have memorized a book about their religion. And in the text you supported your argument with, you said that ALL muslims have the Quaran memorized, but just after that you said that 10% of then 1.5 billion people have it memorized. So... which one is it?
And you havn't answered my question, which I believe is a little more important than a comeback to "What do you have to say about 10 million people memorizing the Quran exactly?" "What other religion has had people do that?" "None because Muslim is the only real religion, and no other people are devout enough to other religions like we Muslims are."
Incase you forgot my question, or you thought that I answered it for myself I'll restate it. What happend to all of the poor souls who never had a chance to convert to Islam. Or the entire existence of humanity before Allah suposedly came forth. Your god doesn't sound like a forgiving one, so I guess millions of innocents were condemned to hell? Just give me an answer from the acient scripts of the Quran that tell you what he did to those people, and what he's still doing to those people, IF he exists.

lol...it says that each muslim has PART of the Quran memorized. 10 million people have the whole quran memorized.

READ IT YOURSELF

I would just like to add that about 10 million muslims have memorized the Quran in its original Arabic text entirely. Amazingly, less than 10% of these people are Arab. That means that more than 9 million people have memorized a book in a language they cannot speak or understand. Tell me that this is not a miracle! Tell me of another book that has been memorized by more than 9 million people that cannot understand nor speak the language of the book's text.

The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Rectiation" just as it came to Muhammad, peace be upon him, from the Angel Gabriel and was learned and memorized by his companions and they in turn, passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over 10,000,000 (ten million) Muslims who have committed the entire Quran to memory. This is not a small feat. After all, how many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through so many generations, in the original language, without a single change in even one sentence?

Each Muslim Has "Quran" Memorized

All Muslims have memorzied a portion of the Quran in the Arabic language, as this is an important part of their daily prayers. Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Quran from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Quran, and all in the original Arabic language. It should be noted, there are over one and a half billion (1,500,000,000) Muslims worldwide and only about 10% are Arab, all the rest are learing the Quran in Arabic as a second language.

This is contradicting itself, unless your saying that all muslims have the Quran memorized in their language, then part of it memorized an Arabian.
Still how can a 4 year old Muslim have even part of a book memorized? Unless you're not muslim until you can read, then I would completely understand how Muhammad was truley Muslim.

AND YOU STILL HAVN'T ANSWERED MY MAIN QUESTION. Are you afraid to because you know that it would make you god disgusting and unforgiving?

Originally Posted by Mr Tank Jump

So what. It's not a miracle just because 10 million proeple have memorized a book about their religion. And in the text you supported your argument with, you said that ALL muslims have the Quaran memorized, but just after that you said that 10% of then 1.5 billion people have it memorized. So... which one is it?
And you havn't answered my question, which I believe is a little more important than a comeback to "What do you have to say about 10 million people memorizing the Quran exactly?" "What other religion has had people do that?" "None because Muslim is the only real religion, and no other people are devout enough to other religions like we Muslims are."
Incase you forgot my question, or you thought that I answered it for myself I'll restate it. What happend to all of the poor souls who never had a chance to convert to Islam. Or the entire existence of humanity before Allah suposedly came forth. Your god doesn't sound like a forgiving one, so I guess millions of innocents were condemned to hell? Just give me an answer from the acient scripts of the Quran that tell you what he did to those people, and what he's still doing to those people, IF he exists.

It depends. A person who is not muslim and does not recieve the message of Islam will go to heaven while one who recieves the message will be cast into hell. GOD IS forgiving. That is one of his attributes. It says in the Quran that God forgives every sin except association with God(that is unless someone converts to Islam, because Islam forgives what you have done before Islam.

Originally Posted by Mr Tank Jump

READ IT YOURSELF



This is contradicting itself, unless your saying that all muslims have the Quran memorized in their language, then part of it memorized an Arabian.
Still how can a 4 year old Muslim have even part of a book memorized? Unless you're not muslim until you can read, then I would completely understand how Muhammad was truley Muslim.

AND YOU STILL HAVN'T ANSWERED MY MAIN QUESTION. Are you afraid to because you know that it would make you god disgusting and unforgiving?

I am sorry you misunderstood the information. Substitute the word Quran with verses in that text and you will see that it does not contradict itself.

"Each muslim has verses(meaning atleast a few) memorized."

"All muslims have a portion of the verses memorized."

Originally Posted by Mr Tank Jump

READ IT YOURSELF



This is contradicting itself, unless your saying that all muslims have the Quran memorized in their language, then part of it memorized an Arabian.
Still how can a 4 year old Muslim have even part of a book memorized? Unless you're not muslim until you can read, then I would completely understand how Muhammad was truley Muslim.

AND YOU STILL HAVN'T ANSWERED MY MAIN QUESTION. Are you afraid to because you know that it would make you god disgusting and unforgiving?

a few 5 year old kids have memorized the whole Quran in its Arabic text entirely, yet they cannot even understand the Arabic language.