Originally Posted by NiceGuy

I'm against war. Period. I'm also against imperialism.

Also, to invalidate the rest of your statement, I don't watch or listen to the media intentionally, and when I do see or hear it, it's with extreme skepticism.

So your saying your against human nature then? War is human and it is something we are very good at.

Originally Posted by HeldGrenademan

So your saying your against human nature then? War is human and it is something we are very good at.

Does that justify war at all or make it any less horrible?

Originally Posted by HeldGrenademan

So your saying your against human nature then? War is human and it is something we are very good at.

Yummy appeal to nature and is-ought fallacies.

Originally Posted by HeldGrenademan

So your saying your against human nature then? War is human and it is something we are very good at.

That does not make it right in anyway shape or forum.

God dammit I hate all of you anti-war f.gs. You all sit on your ass and complain about Bush and the war and all this other sh.t. If I was old enough to join the military I would because unlike you fags I actually believe in fighting to help the world. If your neighbor was beating his family like the leaders do in the middle east in the sense of not allowing them to do sh.t wouldn't you help your neighbors? Or would you sit on your ass and complain. As for the money issue it doesn't even matter now. There is almost no possible way for America to get back the amount of money we owe. Not with all the handouts the government gives to lazy people not willing to get jobs.

the vice president was at my school for our graduation and was giving out the diplomas...he talked to us about the war and i agreed with him 100%...he was saying that it is better to finish the war now so that our children dont have to finish it for us..

finish what we started and keep the fighting going on over there...if we let up and dont finish, they wil bring the fighting to our home soil..then all the antiwar people will be sh.tting their pants

Originally Posted by General AI

Does that justify war at all or make it any less horrible?

people are going to attack us without justification and wether u think ware is horrible or not...the fact that people are out there protecting your rights and risking their lives for you and you dont show any support is insane...

go live in some communist government and tell me you still wouldnt want someone protecting you..

I totally do man. Why not just finish it now instead of 10 years from now. Especially since we are so close now. We have made there life so much better since we have been there.

Originally Posted by StaTuS FeaR

God dammit I hate all of you anti-war f.gs. You all sit on your ass and complain about Bush and the war and all this other sh.t. If I was old enough to join the military I would because unlike you fags I actually believe in fighting to help the world. If your neighbor was beating his family like the leaders do in the middle east in the sense of not allowing them to do sh.t wouldn't you help your neighbors? Or would you sit on your ass and complain. As for the money issue it doesn't even matter now. There is almost no possible way for America to get back the amount of money we owe. Not with all the handouts the government gives to lazy people not willing to get jobs.

Ok buddy let me break it down for you:

-The Iraq war was justified by two reasons:
__Saddam had WMD
__He also had links to Al-Qaeda

-None of those reasons were true. In fact the evidence didn't even suggest they were true, so the administration basically lied. (The whole "it wasn't the administration, it was the intelligence" thing was bullsh.t)
Official Report

-According to a massive intelligence report, the war in Iraq has also strengthened Al-Qaeda exponentially.
Article

-See, here's the thing. Al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before. But they are now.
However, they are still a very small minority of the overall Iraqi resistance.
Most of theses people were simply former citizens who want the US out. If the US leaves, these people would have no support from other citizens.

This Article Describes the Situation Best


-There's also the fact that the Iraq war has claimed more lives than Saddam ever did.
Poll numbers vary greatly, but this pole is one example. It puts the average at 1,033,000.
Survey Summary
There are several other polls, putting the numbers anywhere between 400,000-1,000,000+.

Originally Posted by mattiz28

people are going to attack us without justification and wether u think ware is horrible or not...the fact that people are out there protecting your rights and risking their lives for you and you dont show any support is insane...

go live in some communist government and tell me you still wouldnt want someone protecting you..

Ha.

Alright let me ask you something...

Do you think the attack in 9/11 was "without justification"?

I'm not asking if you think it was wrong, but whether or not you think there was any motive behind it.

why dont we just pull out n do what we did to japan