Originally Posted by maphic

Some argue that if we don't like gay marriage - then we should just not participate in it. Don't marry a gay! They say it won’t affect us. Well maybe... maybe not. Maybe I won’t live long enough to see the results of it. But this is about much more than just any individual person. This is about marriage. And marriage is about family. And family is about raising children.

Children weren’t meant to be raised by two male or two female sex partners. It’s pretty obvious they were meant to be raised by a mom and a dad. Certainly biologically speaking, nature is screaming at us "YOU NEED A MAN AND A WOMAN TO MAKE A CHILD"! But now thanks to the California Supreme Court we have society saying it doesn’t matter who raises children. AND most people, including conservatives aren't confident enough in their ability to explain why it's a bad idea to put up a fight!

So, let me tell you why it's a bad idea.

If 1% of the children are raised by two moms or two dads... then maybe they're right - maybe we won't see too much damage from that. But if it increases . which of course it will now that it has the law's imprimatur . at some point a society where most children aren’t raised by two opposite-sex parents will deteriorate. And we’ve seen that very thing in the black community where a majority of children haven't had a dad . for the last two or three generations. And it’s been devastating to the black community. And it has weakened the country as a whole.

We just don’t have enough experience with what two dads or two moms will do to a community to allow 4 judges to overturn thousands of years of human experience that has led to the best and healthiest way we know to raise children.

So not only do I have something to fear . but YOU do too! All of us do.

Traditional families didn’t come about because some anti-gay bigot sat up somewhere and said “let’s come up with a family structure that will exclude gays.” No! Today’s traditional family developed from thousands of years of human experimentation with a variety of ways to run a society and raise families. We didn’t get here by accident. And for four people to think they can decide for all of society to overturn those thousands of years of human learning is absolutely absurd.

Can you imagine a society where a large portion of children are brought up with two gay dads and taught that the type of promiscuity that is rampant in the gay male community is normal! That would wreak the same kind of havoc on society that we've seen from the male promiscuity that runs rampant in the black community where it is quite normal and where so many black children were raised with only one parent. Imagine adding millions of new people to the roles of those who don't finish school. Imagine adding to the roles of those who go around "making babies" but don't stay around to take care of them.

A case can be made that this won't be the result of legalized gay marriage. But, it's only a speculative case. We don't know. Because we've never tried it before. But there's a reason the type of family structure we have today evolved out of human experience. And it had nothing to do with trying to hurt gays.

Humans are pretty good at discarding what doesn't work and keeping what does. This is the reason why we have opposite-sex-parent families. Not only is that the most obvious and natural way to structure a family, but it has proven to be an incredibly successful structure from which to raise mentally healthy, happy, secure and stable children.

I agree with what you say but its not the government's job to make a law of this. The government cannot force people to live how they see fit, yet it continues to do so every single f..king day.

I would make an argument against same sex marriage, but I really..there..none...

it shouldnt be allowed bc its a waste of time
wats the point of 2 guyz/girls gettin married honestly
why not jus stay in a partnership and live it from their

Originally Posted by o AreS

it shouldnt be allowed bc its a waste of time
wats the point of 2 guyz/girls gettin married honestly
why not jus stay in a partnership and live it from their

What's the point of a man and woman getting married? Why not just stay in a partnership.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

What's the point of a man and woman getting married? Why not just stay in a partnership.

yea thats the gist of my thoughts

Originally Posted by Merc v2

Points Against:
1. May lead to marriages to other things in society
2. Children need a Father and mother to survive
3. In nature it takes a man and a woman to make a baby so by nature gay marriage isn’t fit
4. Gay marriage is considered a sin in some religions
5. Gay marriage is a tradition
6. Gay marriage will decrease the economy

I would avoid the bold points if you want a strong argument. The first is a slippery slope fallacy. I read the same thing in numerous conservative texts and I think their are plenty of other arguments that are not fallacious to prove that point you want to make.
Also, 4th point should be excluded for secularity. Unless you use multiple religions, not just the bible.

Originally Posted by josh1337

I would avoid the bold points if you want a strong argument. The first is a slippery slope fallacy. I read the same thing in numerous conservative texts and I think their are plenty of other arguments that are not fallacious to prove that point you want to make.
Also, 4th point should be excluded for secularity.

if 2 guys can get married, we should be allowed to marry animals and have wild interspecies sex. who with me?

Originally Posted by IndoKRoNiK

if 2 guys can get married, we should be allowed to marry animals and have wild interspecies sex. who with me?

What do two humans marrying have to do with a human and a non human getting married?

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

What do two humans marrying have to do with a human and a non human getting married?

Have you seen the previous posts he's made in this thread? He's been spewing the same baseless hatred with each and every post of his, trying to justify it by citing the Bible.

Why haven't any of you guys responded to this?

"Legalizing same sex marriage would contradict evidence which shows a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is the best family setting for children. Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal family unit promoting procreation and insures the child receives the benefits of being raised by a father and a mother. You can research further to see the attributes shown to be learned by each gender through parenting.

The unfortunate side effects of homosexuality: men who engage in sodomy before the age of 25 have a 50% chance of living to 65. The median death age is 42, and 39 if you have AIDS. Less than 2% of homosexual males live to the age of 65. :_(
95% of boys sexually abused for pornography, trafficking, and prostitution are abused by homosexual males. If you have some fun with numbers by assuming 2% of the USA's population it ends up that 1 of 20 homosexual males are child molesters compared to 1 of 490 heterosexual male child molesters.
Homosexuals make up about 1-2% of the US population however they account for 60% of syphilis cases, 4% of gonorrhea cases, and 17% of all hospital visits. Also 42% of all new HIV cases are caused by homosexual men.
Statistics can be played with to show anything from my experience but for a high school report you need facts and examples. I'd summarize this by saying it's an unhealthy lifestyle and if the government allowed marriage between two homosexuals they would be approving of this behavior.

Religion can be a paragraph if you want to use that. I'm not sure which religions are against it but I think judeo-christians and Mormons will not allow it. Islam seems to have very conservative ideas about relationships so the top few religions would be a safe bet to use.

Originally Posted by some sources
R.S Hogg, et al./ "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidermiology, vol 26,1997

Paul Cameron, Ph.D., et all., "The longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the AIDS Epidemic," Omega: Journal of Death and Dying

Alan P. Bell and Martin S Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978).

Lawrence Corey and King K Holmes, "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 302..

Richard J Estes Ph.D et all., "The commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the US, Canada and Mexico" University of Pennsylvania, Center for the study of youth policy 10 September 2001

Paul Cameron, Ph.D et all., "Child Molestation and Homosexuality" Psychological Reports

Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books) p 275

"Gay Power, Gay Politics" CBS Reports, CBS News, New York, NY

United States Congressional Record 29 June 89

a few more I dont feel like listing nobody cares tbh
Good luck with your essay/presentation/school-related report (I assume)."


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-from josh1337

I thought this would be the kind of argument that you guys would want to tear apart