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That was with a quickness. Nice. I started to respond 2hrs after your post but then something came up and i lost 45 min worth of work. I'd like to keep this short and sweet but i doubt that happens.




As far as Foreign Policy goes Obama is reaching for the stars. Some of the stuff on his page would be monumental. He wants to negotiate with Israeli-Palastinien leaders to get those folks living side by side peacefully. He says he will meet with Iran with no preconditions in efforts to get them to suspend their nuclear weapons programs and terrorist support. He will reward them with economic investments(Ahmadinejad might lose his job in their elections this yr due to Iran's economy), membership in the WTO and normal diplomatic relations. If they continue he will step up economic pressure and political isolation. And also he wants to do things like stop the genocide in Darfar, ease world hunger and poverty, and take the first steps to a nuclear free world(he got a law passed with (R) d.ck Luger that aims to stop smuggling of WMD's). Here's the list:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

Is it all realistic? Probably not. But if we get the ball rolling on some things while he deals with his priorities (Iraq#1) then maybe some day some one will finish it.



Obama wants to institute something called "Making Work Pay". This will save individuals $500 and working families $1K. This will supposedly eliminate income taxs for 10million Americans. He also wants to simplfiy filing so that taxpayers have the option to sign,verify and return pre-filled tax forms. Wow theres too much to mention, but i'm not sure how it will look to a libertarian. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/



I'm losing steam here so i'm bout to get real lazy. These are all headers in the various sections of Obamas issues pages. Each one has a short succinct paragraph following it. It is very interesting stuff, and may pertain to you and your family. The last one pertains to my family and our buisness.
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies
Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband
Protect the Openness of the Internet
Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis
Fight for Fair Trade
Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy
Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol:
Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters
Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems

If you want to read for yourself what Obama plans to do instead of letting other people tell you what he has planned, visit the site. I will write on the below after some sleep i'd like to get into the shortcomings of libertarian stances later. For instance does the goverment make our meth or do we still do it ourselves in trailers?
Sorry if this post makes it seem like you've wasted your time, but I'm not necessarily a Gravel supporter. I'm not going to debate you on whether he or Obama is the best candidate because I frankly am not interested. Hopefully a Gravel supporter will be able to make that argument though.
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Because it's nasty all fags should go to hell.

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I'd imagine some of the arguments would be:

- Because it goes against christianity
- Because it is disgusting and immoral
- Because it is not helping the human race multiply
- Because it is setting a bad example for children


None of the above arguments make any sense or are valid in the slightest, but they're the general arguments against same sex marriage and homosexuality as a whole.
wow. no sense? b..ch please. you don't make sense.
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I don't think that there is a male and female of every species on earth so two guys can go around and stick their d.cks in eachothers asses.


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Sorry if this post makes it seem like you've wasted your time, but I'm not necessarily a Gravel supporter. I'm not going to debate you on whether he or Obama is the best candidate because I frankly am not interested. Hopefully a Gravel supporter will be able to make that argument though.
Cool. I felt kinda cheap just copy pasting. It did make me look up Libertarianism and i took the Worlds Smallest Political Quiz. Turns out i'm a liberal (suprise) almost a centrist.

I had some questions about Libertarians though. If someone wants to answer.

With the massive reduction of taxs where does the money come to pay policeman, fireman, teachers, and all other goverment workers?

Why would you legalize crack and coke and heroin, pretty much all the synthetic drugs? Weed is one thing, legalizing meth just sounds like a bad idea.

What do the people who need the taxpayer funded assistance do? If you get rid of welfare and foodstamps etc, thats gonna leave alot of people without means to feed there familes. I know just like everything else in the country welfare is taken advantage of, but there are genuine cases of people needing the assistance, alot more genuine cases then not.


Libertarians do have some viable stances. If the timing and canidate is ever right, i will strongly consider their canidate.
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I had some questions about Libertarians though. If someone wants to answer.
I don't see a whole lot of libertarians posting here other than me (NthErik and TooMuchButtHair maybe? They seem at the very least, libertarian-leaning...), so I'll take this one on even though this is somewhat off topic.

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With the massive reduction of taxs where does the money come to pay policeman, fireman, teachers, and all other goverment workers?
I'm pretty sure the services you are describing are paid through local property and school taxes. Libertarians often have mixed opinions about these types of services, but I would consider most to take a minarchist position here and say that police, firefighters, courts, etc. are legitimate government services. Could you be a little more specific about government workers, though?

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Why would you legalize crack and coke and heroin, pretty much all the synthetic drugs? Weed is one thing, legalizing meth just sounds like a bad idea.
... because prohibition doesn't work. Most people would agree that alcohol prohibition was a total failure, so why try it with other drugs? When you ban something you only push the activity "underground" so to speak, which creates a black market that is accountable to no one. Other than that, government has no right to tell people what they put into their own bodies. This is something that should be considered a personal responsibility, and if you f..k yourself up on drugs, you shouldn't expect a government handout.

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What do the people who need the taxpayer funded assistance do? If you get rid of welfare and foodstamps etc, thats gonna leave alot of people without means to feed there familes. I know just like everything else in the country welfare is taken advantage of, but there are genuine cases of people needing the assistance, alot more genuine cases then not.
I think that it's a bad assumption to think that getting rid of the welfare-state is going to hurt a lot of people. In a truly free society, goods and services should be provided by the market, and if someone is left out, we all have a personal responsibility to help them. Another words, government has no right to steal from you or me in order to give it to someone who might need it. It's a safe bet that since the government has been in the business of welfare, more and more people are being left out. What's the typical politician's solution? More government programs. I am pragmatic about this issue, though. Personally, I think we should cut our foreign policy, save 100s of billions of dollars, and use that to help the people who have become dependent. Any money left over should be used to pay down our debt.

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Libertarians do have some viable stances. If the timing and canidate is ever right, i will strongly consider their canidate.
That's the problem. They never nominate anyone worth a sh.t. Ron Paul was probably their best pick when he ran back in '88, but he only received like 300,000 - 400,000 votes. Third parties spend most of their money getting ballot access, and by the time this is done, they have little money to get their message out.
 
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so straight people account for 96% of gonorrhea cases?
You compare it to the US population of 98% heterosexual for a reference frame.
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So I need some reasons why same sex marriage shouldn't be legalized. As of now only 1 state allows it and thats Massachusetts, other states do recognize same sex marriage but only 1 actually does it. So if your against same sex marriage please tell me why and explain. I know religion is a big part but what are some other strong arguments, Thank you
There are no supports besides the f..king bible. I don't see what the big deal is.
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Separation of Church and State.

There should not be laws that do not allow a gay couple to marry just because it goes against the COMPLETE BULLsh.t religion that is Christianity.
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Separation of Church and State.

There should not be laws that do not allow a gay couple to marry just because it goes against the COMPLETE BULLsh.t religion that is Christianity.
well, in that case...
lets all be allowed to have more than 1 wife, engage in incestuous relationships, rob, steal, kill, be adulterous, advocate intoxication and substance abuse, etc.

Honestly. Your logic is FUBAR. Even if you don't believe in it, you know that it also tells you how you can life a healthy, moral life.
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well, in that case...
lets all be allowed to have more than 1 wife, engage in incestuous relationships, rob, steal, kill, be adulterous, advocate intoxication and substance abuse, etc.

Honestly. Your logic is FUBAR. Even if you don't believe in it, you know that it also tells you how you can life a healthy, moral life.
Slippery slope fallacy and strawman

How can you possibly compare Homosexuality to robbing, murder, stealing, and substance abuse?
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